Operation: Blood Dynasty-29 JULY

[Relish]

requesting to be on SEAL Team 3. i haven't worn the OD's in a while, and thats all that fits me other than the Flektarn. looking to be a fun one.

[Knief]

Grey Fox, at an Op like this, if you say semi only, players will follow it. With no ammo or mag limits, you might want to do something to keep this from becoming a battle of who can lay on the trigger the most.

[dusty]

Are we talking semi auto for the whole field or just for the city? I t could get very confusing when someone forgets to put their gun on semi in the city, then fires, then the other guys decide to use auto too.

If you decide to use semi for the whole field i dont think we'd have a problem.

[Grey Fox]

relarz said:

requesting to be on SEAL Team 3. i haven't worn the OD's in a while, and thats all that fits me other than the Flektarn. looking to be a fun one.

Ouch! Ouch?...I do believe the SEAL team is full, I'll double check.
If so the Flektarn would put you on Gov't.


As for the Full-Auto situation, I would rather people use full auto but still be disciplined with it, However when it comes to the more upgraded AEGs I would rather see semi. - Full Auto is a very exciting pleasure, which rightfully should never be denied to any airsofter...safe, snipers. How do we tell SAW gunners :-XNO AUTO?
As long as people respect the engagement limits and each other I don't see there being a problem, Trust me on this...I built the place and have since had hundreds of games there, Full-Auto is safe as long as people don't go Full-Asshole with it, it should be fine.

[Mosin]

The only problem with surrender rule is the fact that if you do it they have a choice. Like at operation Verano I rushed two kids and me not wanting to be the asshole yelled surrender because I didn't want to shoot them point blank with a 400 FPS weapon so they turn around and light me up with their 420+ FPS weapons. I got mad and asked Op-Doc if this counted as an out because these were new kids and were most likely scared from me surrendering them and so they laid on that trigger and then the kids after realizing what they did agreed to call out and the game went on. Regardless would it be alright if we brought a plastic knife or something so we could just do knife kills and avoid that window of opportunity all together?

[Knief]

You don't need a plastic knife to do a knife kill. All you have to do is tap somebody on the shoulder and say "knife kill." If either you or those kids shot at such a close range with 400 or 420 fps AEGs, you're breaking your engagement limits and probably need to be removed from the event. You have a 20 foot limit with those guns. And I know OpDoc's games play with higher velocity limits, so those kids ought to as well. Remember, under no circumstances would it be ok for you to fire on them when you're that close. It doesn't matter if they don't accept your surrender and either turn to run or turn to fire. You can't fire on them (they shouldn't have fired on you, and if they read this forum, I'd scold the hell out of them).

Now, if your gun isn't shooting that hot and you want to surrender somebody, you should always be ready to fire at them. Keep your gun up and aimed at their chest and your finger on the trigger. If they try to run or turn to fire, you ought to be able to shoot them before they do. However, I've always felt that surrenders need to be mandatory if the "shooter" is really in a position in which he could reasonably expect a surrender. But some people don't play that way, so if you can, be ready to shoot. That's also another reason to carry a sidearm. You can shoot them if they try to run and you're too close with your rifle.

[dusty]

I'm not a big fan of surrenders unless its a knife kill (which it really just a point blank surrender). Most people who carry hot guns also have a sidearm so you can always use that. If your gun isn't shooting to hot, but you still dont want to hurt them just aim for their vest, which shouldn't be hard to hit at close range, and it shouldn't hurt them. This is all just to avoid confusion of who should be "dead" when both people end up shooting at eachother from a very close range and loose track of who hit who first.

[skypilot181]

If you are point blank range, a simple 'Bang' is good enough. If it's clear that they can hit you, and they say 'Bang', be smart and take the kill. And not all side-arms shoot at 290fps.

Dusty, Trust me, you don't want to get hit by my sidearm at 5, 10 or 20 feet away. Ask Knief, I shot him at 10' away to the vest and he still felt it.

Be smart, and play safe.

[Mosin]

The game where I received the lovely lightup wasn't at Doc's field, it was at Canto's field at Operation Verano, about 4 guys from our team witnessed it and we pretty much made the kids look like asses. I know my enguagement limits and I take the FPS limits on this forum as if it were the Bible. But some kids just don't seem to have that kind of knowledge in that if someone rushes you and screams surrender twice then they need to just call it. I remember Livonia was cool about that once, at Rolling Thunder we were around 15 feet away from eachother and I just said "I'm not going to shoot you this close" so he just called it, I gave him a +1 for doing that because he could have smoked me with his M24 that he was using.

[Grey Fox]

I'm with Knief on this one, On my field the "surrender" rule is manditory. If you have someone dead to rights then you call "Surrender!" or "Bang!" and if they go pullin some shit...then you put a bitch on sick-leave (so long as you're within you're respective distances). Another good point, As Knief also covered, side-arms are never a bad idea in CQB and Melee weapons are not required to get melee kills...however I'd encourage people to bring them so long as they're 100% harmless. Some examples that our team uses are...foam coated training kitanas, plastic knives & bayonets, or the stocks of our rifles(not blunt force, just a tap). Also we(SFOD) have made side-arms manditory amongst our team and strongly encourage those planning to attend to bring one, due to the tight quarters in the city. It's a good thing to have when dukin it out in the streets...JK, but if you're guns' runnin a little too hot for CQB...it's a nice security blanket. And Dusty's idea is sound, but if you're gun is too hot for the distance then shooting someone in the vest is still shooting them, I've seen people get pissed from getting shot in the paintball mask(oddly thats all that was exposed)...to me thats childish and if it were me I'd expect my enemy to shoot whatever I show him face, hands, middle finger...ect.
RULE OF REALITY:If you're engaging someone from cover, and they decide to engage back...they will ALWAYS shoot for whats exposed...Expose you're ass=ass-shot...Expose you're head=headshot. if you don't like being shot in the face then don't let that be the only thing for you're enemy to shoot at. Other than that, All I can prescribe for these issues is respect, give respect...you get respect, it's probly the most important thing in this sport safe saftey.

[425infcof]

Hey I am in if their is still room put me down and (3) other guys will be there.
Hello we will have wooldland camo.

[dusty]

You'll need to tell him what uniforms/clothes you and your friends will be wearing so you can be placed on the propper team. Also welcome to the boards

[Grey Fox]

dusty said:

You'll need to tell him what uniforms/clothes you and your friends will be wearing so you can be placed on the propper team. Also welcome to the boards

I second that, We don't have a player cap for this OP. Hopefully we'll get about 150ish people out, I just need to know what you're crew's camo layout is so I can put you up on a team.
Also, have you been to any other events before this...If it's you're first let me know and I'll PM you some side tipps. I'm not raggin on you, It's just...SFOD fields can be brutal on new guys, and it's good to know a few things before-hand.

[Knief]

Do you think your field can really hold 150 people for a continuous play game? We had 140 people at Redout on an 80ish acre field and it was almost too many people.

[dusty]

I wouldn't say red out was crowded at all, there were huge areas where there was nobody, then there were a few hotspots such as the house and hamburger hill where everyone would end up together at. If you only counted the area we actually used it would probably be about the size of the field for this op. Also, 150 registered players comes to about 100-120 that actually show.

edit: Forgot to mention that we need to keep in mind that much of the rebel forces will be packed into the city leaving even more of the field open.