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Post by D. on Mar 26, 2007 20:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by Gestapo on Mar 26, 2007 21:18:07 GMT -5
meh, my dad spends 25k on a car normally anyways. With his drive to Flint and back, he has well over 100,000 miles on it already and it's still going strong, and not one thing has needed servicing. My dad's gets about 48-49 MPG on the highway, and that's better than any car he has had before this. He also has all the gadgets in the car too. Bluetooth cellphone capability, the touch screen with all the fancy GPS stuff, touch screen air conditioning and heating, and hell, it's even a comfortable ride, and handles fairly nice as well. My dad didn't buy one to save the enviroment, he bought one to get 5000 dollar tax return, and 49 MPG on the highway. With the 5000 dollar tax return, that dropped the price to 20k, which is about the price of a fully loaded mid size sedan. Sounds like a fine deal to me.
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Post by D. on Mar 27, 2007 7:03:19 GMT -5
Or you could get a better looking Saturn Aura and not contribute to acid rain, and get slightly less efficient MPG
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Post by Ghast on Mar 27, 2007 13:34:12 GMT -5
OR I could go buy a Tesla Roadster and leave all those cars in the dust. The power of which will get produced by a Plasma Converter, also seen here. I did a research paper on alternative energy not 3 weeks ago. I can safely say that the plasma converter is the wave of the future. It has 2 byproducts, Syngas (which can be sent out and refined to make hydrogen or other fuels) and an obsidian like glass material which can also be used. The glass can be purified and recycled to make our glass tables, windows, etc. More info on the converter can be found here or at the manufacturers own website, posted above. Ghast |
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Post by D. on Mar 27, 2007 14:35:33 GMT -5
I guess what you forgot to include was the price.
I looked that up, and it's around 92,000 USD, I don't know about you, but I can't afford that nor can many other millions of people
Not only is it very costly, it's not convenient it's a sport car, until I see more I don't see a plasma converter car being reasonable, right now. Maybe in the future it will be, but E-85 and Hybrid cars are where we should be right now.
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Post by Gestapo on Mar 27, 2007 14:45:17 GMT -5
We should be E-100. It's not to difficult to make a car run on pure ethanol, although it would be a little bit more costly, it would definitely be better for the environment.
As for the look, my dad didn't really care. I hate the way the car looks, but it drives smooth, handles nice, and gets good gas millage. As for my car, I'm getting a Acura RSX, fuck the environment.
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Post by skypilot181 on Mar 27, 2007 15:15:29 GMT -5
Hmm... sounds to me like the same old Canadians crying about acid rain again. I don't think one can blame Toyota for the 'dead zone' in Canada. The Canadians have been aware of the impact to this area for many, many years, and they still continue to out weigh the risks associated with this place. The Canadian government is by far, a green country. Heck they know the impacts associated with this mine and other mines like it. If the Canadian government didn't care, they would be shipping there garbage to Michigan.  As far as the energy it takes to produce. Let's just say you have to start somewhere, and the beginning is never as efficient as 50 years later. How long did the gasoline automotive take to get 50mpg? Were computers always small and light to begin with? Was the first airplane super-sonic? Hybrids are at there starting stage, and it will take many years before they are truly more efficient on energy. Ponder this, if Hybrids are as efficient enough to compete with today’s gasoline automobile, where will Hybrids be in 20 years? |
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Post by D. on Mar 27, 2007 15:55:41 GMT -5
it won't matter we'll all be dead from the massive amount of pollution we spend to make the cars. That was the point of this article.
Same thing with recycling, is it really good to recycle if we use all those chemicals compacting the plastic, paper, and other recyclables?
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Post by dusty on Mar 27, 2007 16:10:21 GMT -5
Something to consider with ethanol is what it takes to produce it. Think of all the land, fertalizers, machinery, and power to run those machines that goes into making ethanol, in the end its hardly efficient.
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Post by Ghast on Mar 27, 2007 16:18:50 GMT -5
I guess what you forgot to include was the price. I looked that up, and it's around 92,000 USD, I don't know about you, but I can't afford that nor can many other millions of people Not only is it very costly, it's not convenient it's a sport car, until I see more I don't see a plasma converter car being reasonable, right now. Maybe in the future it will be, but E-85 and Hybrid cars are where we should be right now. Hah, no mate, the plasma converter is a power plant, Like a nuclear power plant. Unrelated to the car. The plant however would provide electrical power into the grid, which you use to charge the car. Actually, the tesla is $350,000, but its an electric sports car, which in and of itself makes it boss. |
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Post by Gestapo on Mar 27, 2007 16:30:57 GMT -5
Just a question, when did become such a hippie damo  |
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Post by El Phantasamo on Mar 27, 2007 18:10:58 GMT -5
I say to hell with E-85 and E-100, I want another part of the corn. BIODIESEL! With new Diesel Particulate Filters, NO MORE BLACK SMOKE, and Biodiesel exhaust smells like French fries! My choice would be a Diesel VW Jetta. Yeah the 0-60 time kinda sucks, but it sips fuel on the highway. Low and Behold, no new Diesel VW's are coming in the the US  BMW has a Diesel sedan out in Europe, as well as Mercedes Benz. I just wish Americans would wake up and smell the BioWIllie and buy a Diesel like half the Europeans do |
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Post by Gestapo on Mar 27, 2007 18:40:12 GMT -5
And I can tell you European citys smells like SHIT from all the diesel. It was like that in both Germany and Ireland. That and cigarettes. Now I know that most of the diesel in Europe isn't Bio, but still.
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Post by El Phantasamo on Mar 27, 2007 18:44:25 GMT -5
...... Now I know that most of the diesel in Europe isn't Bio, but still. they're working on it. I know that a possible reason is that in the US, we use a VERY LOW SULFUR diesel fuel for the 2007 model year (let alone 2008) that IS NOT compatible with European diesel engines. At least not yet....... |
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Post by Zeke on Mar 27, 2007 19:23:44 GMT -5
I say to hell with E-85 and E-100, I want another part of the corn. BIODIESEL! With new Diesel Particulate Filters, NO MORE BLACK SMOKE, and Biodiesel exhaust smells like French fries! INDEED Research has shown it takes about 1.3 gallons of gasoline to harvest 1 gallon of E-85, and it would take 11 acres of cornfield to power ONE car for 1 year. www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jul2005/2005-07-13-01.asp(edit) Thats if it was under constant (16 Hours or so) sunlight. And you are probably thinking we could build towers or something to harvest the stuff in, well the lighting would cost an insane ammount, and would also be harming the environment by burning fuels. The first thing we should be doing is getting all electricity from un-pollutant sources. Then we should worry about the cars. Because electricity powers the assembly lines etc.... (I will try to find the source, my mom mentioned this to me, she said she read it online.) The only thing E-85 is good for is another whiskey. Some people in Romania (I think) found, that if you pack a PVC pipe with bread, and ran the ethanol through that pipe, it would take out the poison preservative and just turn it into corn whiskey. |
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