MILSIM Op: Pelea de Manteca 11/7--Walk-ons welcome

[kingpayne]

I'll try and get ahold of him and have him do that. I was hoping to get some friends to come along with me but only one of them was with me when I went to that game in July. I don't believe that there are any rec games that you guys are hosting before this game but maybe you guys know of any games that might be happening that are somewhat close that we can meet up at, I am sure I can go and get my friends to come with me. Then we can meet you guys there and we can talk and whatever else you guys will need to deteremine our maturity level. Thanks.

[broncoman15]

Hey i was thinking the same thing Kingpayne, So i already asked Knief to go and also if M.S.-ARC was going or wanted to go, It is a rec game in Leonard, MI this Sat. 10-16-10 hosted by the Royal Oak Salvation Army. It costs 2.00 to enter and we play from 10:00am to 3:30pm because i was also trying to get into the MILSIM earlier, so then we could all meet each other and possibly work something out for the MILSIM next month.

Broncoman
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[kingpayne]

Thanks for finding that game broncoman. Hopefully some of the MILSIM people will go because I'm pretty sure that I'll be able to go. Hope to see you guys there. I'm looking forward to Saturday now, thanks again broncoman.

[M.S.-ARC]

Oct 11, 2010 21:00:51 GMT -5 broncoman15 said:

Hey i was thinking the same thing Kingpayne, So i already asked Knief to go and also if M.S.-ARC was going or wanted to go, It is a rec game in Leonard, MI this Sat. 10-16-10 hosted by the Royal Oak Salvation Army. It costs 2.00 to enter and we play from 10:00am to 3:30pm because i was also trying to get into the MILSIM earlier, so then we could all meet each other and possibly work something out for the MILSIM next month.

Broncoman
miairsoft.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=eventplanningmain&action=display&thread=35179

If I didn't have my nephews birthday party that day I would have gone.

[odog]

seeing as we are now using Wikipedia as a credible source According to the M-14 Wikipedia page section titled Variants and related designs the M-14 is in fact a Squad Automatic Weapon it replaced the M-15 (an M-14 with a heavier barrel and stock, a hinged buttplate, a selector switch for fully-automatic fire, and a bipod)

I suggest that the next time you decide to tell someone that they don't know what they are talking about, you know what you are talking about

this is the URL en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M14_rifle#Variants_and_related_designs

[Knief]

Re-read that. The M14 was a poor support weapon and was quickly modified to cope better. If somebody shows up with the an M14 "equipped with the selector switch, hinged buttplate and bipod" (all accurate replicas) as well as the "addition of a pistol grip, a folding metal foregrip and a muzzle stabilizer," then we'll let them use their M14 in a support weapon capacity. Same as somebody who wants to use a G36 and claim it's an MG36. If they've built a completely accurate replica, then it'll pass. If you show up with your stock M14 with a scope rail and a bipod, you're no different from anybody else with an assault rifle.

But more importantly, this is our game and we'll make whatever rules we damn well please.

Now, I suggest you take that attitude of yours someplace else. If you're going to correct somebody, you'll be far better received if you're humble about it. That goes double for when you're wrong.

[odog]

didn't you correct someone with wrong information and you were rude about it. Maybe you would like to take you own advise before you give it out. oh and by the way are you saying that if someone took the bipod off of there FN Minimi you wouldnt let them play in your game because thats a little ridiculous. In fact i would say you are the immature one saying "this is our game and we'll make whatever rules we damn well please." not the 16 year old kid.

[Knief]

Oct 14, 2010 17:38:08 GMT -5 odog said:

didn't you correct someone with wrong information and you were rude about it.

No no no. I treated somebody who was acting like a dick like he was acting like a dick. It's a fine line, so don't worry yourself trying make those kind of distinctions. Based on the information you gathered from the M14 Wiki article, I'd say your reading comprehension skills aren't up to the task of deciphering subtlety like that, let alone the blatantly obvious description of the difference between an M14 and it's support weapon cousin, the M14A1. And since your capacity for logic lead to to believe that an M14 with a bipod is equivalent to an M249 without a bipod, I can pretty much tell that any further argument on this point would dead end at you going, "But! But! But!" and me hanging my head in embarrassment for you.

So, you know, whatever you say man.

[odog]

My fist comment of
"didn't you correct someone with wrong information and you were rude about it."
Was not directed at you it was to M.S.-ARC so for that i apologize.

However, Clearly YOU did not comprehend what I was saying. If you had, you would know that I was not comparing the two guns. I was stating the fact that in the game of airsoft, there is no need for a bipod or a muzzle stabilizer on a squad automatic gun seeing as there is no recoil in airsoft. Nor was i saying that your every day M-14 was a Squad Automatic Gun merely that it had the ability to be.

So, when you decide to pull that stick out of your ass, and realize that it just a game let me know i would be more then happy to play with you.

[Knief]

And the head hanging begins. Military simulation isn't slapping a scope on an M4 and calling it sniper rifle. It's not running around in woodland pants and an ACU crossdraw. And it's definitely not saying that an unmodified M14 can be a SAW. It doesn't need to have the aforementioned modifications because of the problems of sustained fire or recoil. It needs to have the aforementioned mods because without them, it's a replica of the wrong gun. A stock M14 doesn't simulate any sort of support weapon. It simulates an m14. If you want to simulate an M14A1, then you need an M14A1. If that's not a concept that makes sense to you, then milsim airsoft probably isn't your thing. Stick to rec games where nobody will really care.

Also:

Oct 14, 2010 19:01:44 GMT -5 odog said:

I was stating the fact that in the game of airsoft, there is no need for a bipod or a muzzle stabilizer on a squad automatic gun seeing as there is no recoil in airsoft.

What? Did you really think that my concerns were about recoil? I mean, you really honestly thought that's why I thought a support weapon based on the M14 should have a bipod and barrel stabilizer? You weren't just spouting that tidbit of verbal vomit because it seemed to sort of agree with your argument? Or did you just not want to acknowledge the real point that I was obviously making? Not to keep pounding away with the rhetorical questions, but you're aware that I've fired an airsoft gun or two in my day, right? Just checking is all.

[M.S.-ARC]

Oct 14, 2010 19:01:44 GMT -5 odog said:

My fist comment of
"didn't you correct someone with wrong information and you were rude about it."
Was not directed at you it was to M.S.-ARC so for that i apologize.

However, Clearly YOU did not comprehend what I was saying. If you had, you would know that I was not comparing the two guns. I was stating the fact that in the game of airsoft, there is no need for a bipod or a muzzle stabilizer on a squad automatic gun seeing as there is no recoil in airsoft. Nor was i saying that your every day M-14 was a Squad Automatic Gun merely that it had the ability to be.

So, when you decide to pull that stick out of your ass, and realize that it just a game let me know i would be more then happy to play with you.

I think you completely missed or are completely unaware of the point of having a mil-sim event.

With this event we are trying to simulate a realistic military scenario as close as we can which is the major reason why we are being very strict on the ammo capacity of certain weapons EVERY weapon.

Consider this, when was the last time an M-14 carried 400+ rounds in one magazine? Yet you insist that using high capacity magazine in a MIL-SIM event is legit?

Now we all know that a SAW in real life cannot carry thousands and thousands of rounds in one drum mag like the airsoft version is but like many other things in life there is no perfect situation which is why we made an exception for weapons that are known to carry larger loads of ammunition than the usual weapons. No matter how strict we get on the ammunition limits, there is no way we can enforce SAW gunners to only put 100 to maybe 250 rounds in their box mags.

As much as arguing on the internet is a whole lot of fun, anyone can find something online that will support their ideas no matter how far fetched it is. With that said, you can continue to argue your point but the fact is using an M-14 with a high capacity magazine for THIS event is not allowed. It doesn't really matter why or the logic behind it. That's the way it is.

There are rules in life that to many people seem stupid or against all logic but it doesn't change the fact that the rules are there and there are consequences to breaking them.

With all that said I have to do my job as a moderator of these forums and issue a warning. Further derailment or "thread crapping" on this topic will result in an immediate ban and deletion of ones existence. I really hope it doesn't come to that because if you stick around and drop the hostile attitude you might actually find this community useful to your growth in the sport of airsoft.

[M.S.-ARC]

New information added to the first post.

It seems that the pre-pay might be turning some people off to the event, so we're going to allow walk ons. The cost will be $25, but will not include a grab from the SWAG bag.

Everybody who did prepay gets to grab and grab and grab. You still have to be 18+ and we hope that you'll have read all of the rules and scenario info before coming out. So please, if you weren't sure you could make it and didn't want to pay more to sign up later, or just don't have a paypal account, come on out and join us.

[M.S.-ARC]

ROSTER UPDATED

Walk ons are welcome but read the original post for details.