Operation: Flash Fire

[Caveman Grant]

Ok, sorry for the delayed responces guys.

If you want your questions to be answered, please direct your attention towards the MIA forum. Its updated almost daily.

As for FPS rules, they will be the MIA standards.

[skypilot181]

Who's all planning on going? And what's the method of transportation? By Car, Train, or Plane?

I believe South Haven Airport is only a few miles from the field.

[crazycanuck]

There's about 40 people registered so far, and lots of people from Toledo. ;D

[CantoXII]

Operation: Flash Fire Player Roster

As of: 03:04 AM, September 5th, 2006

Allied Coalition (America and South Korea)

Adam Dutton
Roy Poor
Peter Michaelis
Nick Born x 3
Russell
Steve Ronan
Operator Doc
Holden Wesley
Trooper
SwatA4 - Team T.E.S.T. x 4
Namelessblob42 x 3
Sarge - Team KATAS
Scope - Team KATAS

Team Count: 23

North Korea

CantoXII
Brett Paxton
Alan Frosch - Team MINT
Crazycunuck - Team MINT
Josh - Team MINT
Nate - Team MINT
Jeromy Balduf - Team MINT
Peter - Team MINT

Total Team Count: 8

Total Preregistered Player Count: 31

Team A.M.A.S. will be bringing all available members to this. So, tack on an additonal 10, or more.

We're also needing more North Korean players.

If I have forgotten anyone, please feel free to message or e-mail me.

[skypilot181]

Anyone on planning on attending this event this weekend? I'm offering a ride there.

[Operator44CPTMoore]

CPT.- Moore S.F.O.D.-D and T.F.R. I've got 7 of my guys including myself going for the N. Korean side 2 Delta Operators, and 5 Rangers geared in desert But the FPS is weird, 350 for an outside event??? isn't that for CQB? I mean it's a little low fps for a normal game that will force everyone on my team to break down our guns and change out springs, and thats a pretty big pain in the ass thing to have to do, I'm praying they'll change the fps rules!

[Grey Fox]

I'm unfamiliar of MIA rules for fps could someone post them up please?

[Mr Embed]

Engagement Rules

Article 15: The following are the minimum distance engagement limits for airsoft replicas. This is the closest a player can engage another player with a replica rated in the following feet per second (fps) categories using full-auto, semi-auto, or single shot capability. See Article 16 for extremely close quarter player elimination.

OUTDOOR/OPEN FIELD ENGAGEMENT LIMITS

• 1.0 - 350.9 fps - Arms length engagement limit


• 351.0 - 410.9 fps - 20 foot engagement limit


• 411.0 - 550.9 fps – 50 foot engagement limit, bolt action or permanent* semi-auto replicas only


• 551.0+ fps - Prohibited or allowed with permission of event organizer only

*Permanent semi-auto refers to replicas that do not have full-auto fire capability, no matter how the selector switch or other user input device is manipulated.


INDOOR/CLOSE QUARTER BATTLE (CQB)/ENCLOSED FIELD ENGAGEMENT LIMITS

• 1.0 - 350.9 fps – Arms length engagement limit


• 351.0+ fps – prohibited or allowed with permission of event organizer only


Engagement limits are based on averaged fps readings using .20 gram weight bb’s only. The method for acquiring an airsoft replica’s average fps is to fire multiple (more than 2) shots through a chronograph, record the readings, add the fps readings together and divide by the total number of readings.
Gas operated airsoft replicas should be chronographed using a “warm” ambient temperature gas supply (i.e. magazine), or with heating device functioning if used during the cold season.
No allowance is made for airsoft replicas that have an average reading close to the lower end of the next highest fps category. Example- if the replica has an average reading of 351.5 fps it falls within the 20 foot engagement limit.


More info at
miairsoft.proboards70.com/index.cgi?board=r-n-r&action=display&thread=1055191860

[Grey Fox]

Thanks man, so that means we won't have to violate our weapons and thats good enough for me, and I hate to be a continuos pain in the ass but what about ammo limits we'll be able to carry loose ammo right???

[Mr Embed]

Ammunition and FPS Regulations:

Standard Rifles, Submachine Guns, and pistols

350 FPS – (arms-length engagement)

800 rounds in any configuration

SAW's and Support Weapons

350 FPS (20 ft engagement)

2500 rounds in any configuration

Sniper Rifles

Permanent Semi-Auto Only

400 FPS (30 ft engagement)

200 rounds in any configuration

zoros said:

you can carry as many loose bb's as u want

[OpDoc]

Operator44CPTMoore said:

CPT.- Moore S.F.O.D.-D and T.F.R. I've got 7 of my guys including myself going for the N. Korean side 2 Delta Operators, and 5 Rangers geared in desert But the FPS is weird, 350 for an outside event??? isn't that for CQB? I mean it's a little low fps for a normal game that will force everyone on my team to break down our guns and change out springs, and thats a pretty big pain in the ass thing to have to do, I'm praying they'll change the fps rules!

This will not change trust me, when you read the MIA event forum on this you will see that this was a huge issue and they didnt want to change it. I come from a NC team that I started and our fps rules for out side events where 420fps, i know this is a very bad call on them.

[OpDoc]

mrembed said:

Ammunition and FPS Regulations:

Standard Rifles, Submachine Guns, and pistols

350 FPS – (arms-length engagement)

800 rounds in any configuration

SAW's and Support Weapons

350 FPS (20 ft engagement)

2500 rounds in any configuration

Sniper Rifles

Permanent Semi-Auto Only

400 FPS (30 ft engagement)

200 rounds in any configuration

zoros said:

you can carry as many loose bb's as u want

if you read this you are going to see that it does conterdicts what they said in the above and you will have to break down you aeg's if they are not a SAW, Or support weapon which is a Squad based machine gun. Again you will see this is a problem with this.

[Grey Fox]

Dammit!!! these rules blow I won't go if I must violate my weapons gender. We have a city arena... Extremly close quarters and our team mostly shoots about 400-460 and we don't play by FPS limmits or engagement rules meaning if you can get your gun to crank it we'll allow it and if you stumble up on top of someones position(we perfer you give em the choice to surender or feel the wrath)and they don't surrender.... we plug them!!!

This may "SOUND" dangerous but none of us has ever complained or got hurt and we shoot the shit out of eachother sometimes only inches away, everyone likes the realism and all of us were shocked at the rules the first time we went to Future Ball and that really wasn't that thrilling, so most people may complain about Flash Fires rules but we strongly disslike them!

[skypilot181]

Grey Fox,
Try to understand that when operating an organized event, safety limits must be set. There is a point of exceeding a safe threshold, what that point is, i'm not sure. However these guidelines were set by more experinced players and people of MIA who have been playing airsoft for many years and know the threshold of saftey. It's wise not to push or exceed the threshold of safety and create a 'safety net' margin that result in a speed less than that threshold.

I would highly recommend some reading up on Joules and the impact assocated before breaking the skin and inlodging BB's into someone.

moore said:

This may "SOUND" dangerous but none of us has ever complained or got hurt and we shoot the shit out of eachother sometimes only inches away

Would you like to play agaist someone who (say me) has there gas sniper rifle cranked to over 700 fps? I've played paintball for over 16 years. And I do know the secerts of increasing a gas powered gun. And it would only take me about 90 seconds to increase my M700 to over 700 or 800 fps with a .30gram BB. At this point it would break a pair of googles, and create serious injury, is this how you truly play???

[Mongoose]

Pilot, methinks you're SERIOUSLY blowing things out of proportion. (And just for the record, Fox has hosted games before, so it's not like he doesnt understand the need for limitations- so there's no need to condescend).

Fox is simply stating a dislike of the rules because his gun is at more of a disadvantage than he's used to, whereas what you're talking about is downright unsafe for anyone. 400 FPS from a few feet away like Fox said, nobody complains- but you're talking about almost twice that, an extra 300FPS. Shattering goggles with a 700FPS gas rifle isnt something to be proud of, it's just being a downright dick.

Anyway, Fox'll just have to modify his weapon if it doesnt quite work. Myself being a sniper, I've got no problem with the rules, as everything is pretty much standard for me...

-Mongoose