MOA's Operation Close Quarters Nov 12th

[OpDoc]

Hosted By MOA (Military Op's Airsoft)

Where:
MOA Field
26763 Cr. 364
Mattawan, Mi 49071

When: Sunday Nov 12th. registration and sign in will begin @ 0930. SITREP will be given around 1030 with game starting at 11am

Who: all skill levels

Cost per player is 20.00 this can be paid in advance through paypal @ [e-mail], or paid on day of event at registration.

Rules of Engagement

FPS for Full auto AEG's will be 420FPS
Single action/semi-auto only weapons sniper will be 500FPS

all guns will be tested with .20's and be tagged at site of snap in

There will be a raffle for tact gear and possibly a few GBB's

Teams will be made on day of event so be sure to bring a extra set of cammies. Objectives for this event will be given out on the day of the event during the event briefing.

MOA will have AEG's and mags for rent if needed along with tact gear.

If there are any questions please contact via PM or by email at [e-mail]

Thanks and hope to see you there.

[Gestapo]

Um... my G&G only shot 330 OOB, also, systema has a 280 FPS stock cylinder that each gun comes with.

[piratevalkyrie]

Cost is 55$ per team?

So if I am the only FTR member showing up I have to fork over 55 wing wangs? (lol)

not gonna happen for me

[Knief]

I believe that mirairsoft means that it's $55 per two man team. You'd show up with a partner, and both of you would owe $27.50. I wouldn't pay that much when I might be out in two short games.

[piratevalkyrie]

admin said:

I believe that mirairsoft means that it's $55 per two man team. You'd show up with a partner, and both of you would owe $27.50. I wouldn't pay that much when I might be out in two short games.

Ok, I understand and agree. Too much cash for not enough play, and even if they extend/modify the rules, still not paying 27.50

[OpDoc]

Well i see, As I have discussed this issue with some others I have come to I hopefully fix for the the problems.

1. AEG, yes after i did do some research on the G&G and the systema's they are allowed to be used. so hopefully this problem is taken care of.

2. As for the price versus getting taken out quickly...We will also be having a themed game going on in another part of the field so that the elimated teams can keep playing.

3. Also concerning the pricing on this matter per person. we will be bringing it down to 40.00 per team of 2, this is a 15.00 drop in price, and this breaks down to 20.00 per person. i hope this helps all, and is a little better in all areas.

If there are any other ideas to make this better, that are within reason please let me know via pm.

"Again this is a test of skill, not a spray and pray event" - unknown player

[Knief]

Is there any limit on how many standard or low cap mags one can carry? You only list hicaps and midcaps, and I hate both.

Is there any limit on sidearms?

Are you giving out decent GBBs like TMs or KSCs, or should we expect a shite knock off like a KWA, KWC, or HFC?

I hope you're prepared for some cheating and complaining about cheating at this thing. As soon as you give out prizes for winning, you give people a reason to cheat to win. While it's nice to think that everybody would play an honorable game, it's not likely to happen. Hell, people cheat at big games when they can respawn as soon as they get back to their spawn point. Now that you've given them inscentive to stay in the game, do you think they'll cheat less? I've always believed that trophies and prizes for winning should be left to a game in which it isn't so easy to cheat your way to victory.

[skypilot181]

May I suggest the winner recieve the title. And prizes are awarded randomly selected to players who participate in the event. This way even the worse team has a chance of bringing something home and the tournament is for Title, not a new GBB.

[Knief]

Yeah, raffling off two GBBs to all those who enter is a better idea than to award it to the winners. Give everybody a raffle ticket when they pay, and raffle the guns off just after the lunch break or something.

[OpDoc]

admin said:

Is there any limit on how many standard or low cap mags one can carry? You only list hicaps and midcaps, and I hate both.

Is there any limit on sidearms?

Are you giving out decent GBBs like TMs or KSCs, or should we expect a shite knock off like a KWA, KWC, or HFC?

I hope you're prepared for some cheating and complaining about cheating at this thing. As soon as you give out prizes for winning, you give people a reason to cheat to win. While it's nice to think that everybody would play an honorable game, it's not likely to happen. Hell, people cheat at big games when they can respawn as soon as they get back to their spawn point. Now that you've given them inscentive to stay in the game, do you think they'll cheat less? I've always believed that trophies and prizes for winning should be left to a game in which it isn't so easy to cheat your way to victory.

okay here it is I will answer all questions:

1. "Is there any limit on how many standard or low cap mags one can carry? You only list hicaps and midcaps, and I hate both."
You can carry low caps if you want, just remember that it will mean more reloading in that part, and I have to say good way to keep it more real. Your total rounds can not excede that of 600rds. So yes you can carry low caps.

2. "Is there any limit on sidearms?" At this time side arms have not been brought into the planning, if more people want to carry a side, then we will make the needed changes for this. If this does happen, the rounds that are in the mags for the sidearms will count towards your total.

3. "Are you giving out decent GBBs like TMs or KSCs, or should we expect a shite knock off like a KWA, KWC, or HFC?" The GBBs will be one of the following makes, TM, KSC or Infinity. so these will be rather nice GBB's

4. As for the cheating issues, we are going to have 2 - 3 field judges form the local Michigan State Police post, So we will have eyes on the field at all times. This should cut down cheating to about none. Also we will have 2-3 cams that we can look back on to review if we think there is any bit of cheating. Thank you for your concern in this matter.

I hope this does answer some of your questions.

[OpDoc]

skypilot181 said:

May I suggest the winner recieve the title. And prizes are awarded randomly selected to players who participate in the event. This way even the worse team has a chance of bringing something home and the tournament is for Title, not a new GBB.

I think this is a good idea, we might have a few other GBB's on site for the raffle but the good ones will be there for the winners.

as for a raffle, we will be having one on sunday durning the lunch break.

Again thanks for the great ideas, this is going to help make this even better.

[OpDoc]

One more added feature we will video taping each match, and for the team that would like them we will put together a DVD of all there match play. We will let every know what the cost will be. It will be one flat rate, so it will not matter how long or short it is.

[Knief]

Do you realize the paradox of having judges in airsoft? In order for them to be close enough to actually see bbs hitting a player, they will risk exposing that player's position or interfere with his movement or shooting line. If the judges aren't close enough to a player to give him away, then he won't be close enough to see bbs hitting him in most cases either. Are your video cameras going to be a) high enough quality to pick up 6mm spheres traveling at 300 fps, and b) cover the entirety of the playing field?

Airsoft just doesn't work at a competition. Despite what your little league coach told you, baseball, football, and hockey are about winning and losing. But airsoft, by its very nature, has to be about how you played the game and nothing more.

FYI, Infinity isn't a manufacturer, not even for real firearms. Strayer Voight produces the Infinity series of 1911 and 2011 hand guns. Western Arms replicates Strayer Voight's Infinity line. So you'll have either TMs, KSCs, or WAs.

[OpDoc]

admin said:

Do you realize the paradox of having judges in airsoft? In order for them to be close enough to actually see bbs hitting a player, they will risk exposing that player's position or interfere with his movement or shooting line. If the judges aren't close enough to a player to give him away, then he won't be close enough to see bbs hitting him in most cases either. Are your video cameras going to be a) high enough quality to pick up 6mm spheres traveling at 300 fps, and b) cover the entirety of the playing field?

Airsoft just doesn't work at a competition. Despite what your little league coach told you, baseball, football, and hockey are about winning and losing. But airsoft, by its very nature, has to be about how you played the game and nothing more.

FYI, Infinity isn't a manufacturer, not even for real firearms. Strayer Voight produces the Infinity series of 1911 and 2011 hand guns. Western Arms replicates Strayer Voight's Infinity line. So you'll have either TMs, KSCs, or WAs.

"Do you realize the paradox of having judges in airsoft? In order for them to be close enough to actually see bbs hitting a player, they will risk exposing that player's position or interfere with his movement or shooting line."

To let you know in this when you start you will already know where each team is at. so a Judge would not give away the field position and or get in the way of the game and or shooter. As for the judges being close enough for the them to see a bb hit, We will have to wait and see. (in this we will be posting a video wihtin the next couple of days on how this is played). As for the Vid Cams yes they are and they will be in place. Thanks again for your in-put

Thanks on the GBB part my bad. Yes we will have TMs, KSC, and WA

[skypilot181]

I for one will not be attending.

Personally I beleive having awards for the winning team only creates serious problems. And those problems worsen when a valueable grand prize is at stake. Unlike paintball, you only have the word of the person shooting or getting hit to call the shot. And if the shot is questionable, then it's doubtful someone will call it when the prize is a $300+ AEG.

I stopped playing paintball because of the same reasons. And started playing airsoft because of the honor involved with the sport. And I believe events like this will only encourge people to leave their honor off the field and only keep their eye on the prize. And it take the fun out of the game.