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[Maddok]

Hey guys I just registered and I have a few questions, mainly about electrics that I rarely see answered specificly.

Curently I have an Airsoft Elite MP5 A4, but honestly its a little finicky, and lacks the range to really let me play the medium to long range style I prefer.

Anyways, I'm looking for a new gun, I'd like for it to have quite a bit of range, and yet still be reliable, I know it's a tough combo.

I was thinking along the lines of a G3 SG1 by tokyo marui and putting and M120 and a magnification scope on it for starters, but I'm not completly sure. So if someone could give me some help here that would be great, thanks.

[AndrewMp5k2007]

I was thinking along the lines of a G3 SG1 by tokyo marui and putting and M120 and a magnification scope on it for starters, but I'm not completly sure. So if someone could give me some help here that would be great, thanks.

If you go with the G3 SG1, you will want to upgrade the gears, bushings, ect since just slapping an M120 in it would cause your internals to deterioate (not literally), but faster then you could say WHAPOW!

In the end, you would probably be spending at least $100 or more to get it reliable.

[El Phantasamo]

7jl22sea said:

Hey guys I just registered and I have a few questions, mainly about electrics that I rarely see answered specificly.

Curently I have an Airsoft Elite MP5 A4, but honestly its a little finicky, and lacks the range to really let me play the medium to long range style I prefer.

Anyways, I'm looking for a new gun, I'd like for it to have quite a bit of range, and yet still be reliable, I know it's a tough combo.

I was thinking along the lines of a G3 SG1 by tokyo marui and putting and M120 and a magnification scope on it for starters, but I'm not completly sure. So if someone could give me some help here that would be great, thanks.

First off, the G3SG/1 is HUGE! Its a very big rifle. Mine has an M120 spring in it now, and I honestly want more power. I'm considering an assembled Systema Mechbox with an M140 in it ;D If we ever meet up in a game, you'll have to see it.

Second, a magnification scope doesn't work too well in airsoft. anything over 2 1/2 X is too much. red dots work quite well in open fields.

there are mods to make to the MP5 for improved range. If you find a BB it likes, you may be surprised how well it works. For example, I like to use Excel .23's in my stock TM MP5. when the hop up is set just right, It shoots remarkably well. JoeySarosy thought I did some serious upgrades to it .

An SMG will NEVER have the potential range of a rifle, but don't condemn the MP5 just yet.

[gimpy]

Well, a gun made by TM is going to have velocities of 260-290fps and not enough effective range for long to medium range stuff, IMO. Usually effective range on a stock TM is about 100-150feet I'm assuming (can't think straight to tired). As you probably know all stock Tm's perform the same except for the Psg1 and a few others. So when it comes to range a velocity there all gonna be more or less the same. But from my knowledge a TM G3 SG1 is a great sniper support/long-med range rifle. Just make sure if your gonna be putting in a m120 spring, that you upgrade the internals (i.e. bushings, tappet, maybe new gears, etc.. hell maybe even throw in a tight bore barrel for more accurate shooting). But it will cost you at least more than $100 extra to get it in to working order.

Another good candidate for long to med shooting to suit your g3 needs, is the Classic Army CA33E, comes stock shooting at 330-340fps. With full metal body,upgraded and reinforced gear box allowing you just swap the spring without trouble. But I think there are no low or mid cap magazines for this gun though so you would just have to settle for unrealistic hi-caps (which isn't a bad thing).

But any "rifle" aeg will do honestly.. A good/cool option would be a m16/ar-15 format. Like a SR16.

[AndrewMp5k2007]

Well I had a Tasco Champion Ship Version (I think) 3x-9x 40m scope on my AUG and at all the way 3x - 5x, I could still see the BBs. So, 2 1/2 isn't that great, especially if he is talking about putting it at 400fps or more.

If he is talking about range, he most likely shouldn't ake the Mp5 into consideration, as you said, it will NEVER have the potential of a range rifle (like he wants).

So, and M16 Variant would be better then the Mp5. The G3-SG1, G3 A3 (if you like it), the M16A2, SR-16, M16A1, M16A1 VN, M4A1, AUG, are all good choices. Give all of those a look see. Technically all TM's perform the same, but after you upgrade them, and the more accessories you add onto them, the farther apart each sets themself from one another.

gimpy said:

Well, a gun made by TM is going to have velocities of 260-290fps and not enough effective range for long to medium range stuff, IMO.

Right.

gimpy said:

Usually effective range on a stock TM is about 100-150feet I'm assuming (can't think straight to tired).

Wrong.

gimpy said:

As you probably know all stock Tm's perform the same except for the Psg1 and a few others.

Terribly wrong, the PSG-1 performs EXACTLY like any other TM, UNUPGRADED.

gimpy said:

So when it comes to range a velocity there all gonna be more or less the same. But from my knowledge a TM G3 SG1 is a great sniper support/long-med range rifle. Just make sure if your gonna be putting in a m120 spring, that you upgrade the internals (i.e. bushings, tappet, maybe new gears, etc.. hell maybe even throw in a tight bore barrel for more accurate shooting). But it will cost you at least more than $100 extra to get it in to working order.

Right on!

gimpy said:

Another good candidate for long to med shooting to suit your g3 needs, is the Classic Army CA33E, comes stock shooting at 330-340fps. With full metal body,upgraded and reinforced gear box allowing you just swap the spring without trouble. But I think there are no low or mid cap magazines for this gun though so you would just have to settle for unrealistic hi-caps (which isn't a bad thing).

But any "rifle" aeg will do honestly.. A good/cool option would be a m16/ar-15 format. Like a SR16.

Yea, I agree.

I just had to correct the PSG-1 thingy.

[gimpy]

*ahem* Andrew you nailed it on the head just like I did in my post. ;D errr...a g3sas?

Anyway They are right about the scopes a red dot/aim point would be just fine. a cheap solution would be a Walther red dot on ebay, can be found for 20-40 bucks!

[El Phantasamo]

andrewmp5k2005 said:

...... The G3-SG1, G3-SAS (if you like it), the M16A2, M16A1, M16A1 VN, M4A1, AUG, are all good choices. ........

:SMACKS ANDREW IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD!:

G3SAS? WTF is wrong with you!! The G3SAS has a SHORTER barrel then the MP5!

[AndrewMp5k2007]

Knew I had it wrong, meant the G3 A3 (Always get the A3 and SAS confused). Anyhow, edited.

A3:


Also, gimpy, the PSG-1 performs EXACTLY like any other TM, without upgrades.

[gimpy]

andrewmp5k2005 said:

Terribly wrong, the PSG-1 performs EXACTLY like any other TM, UNUPGRADED.

I meant by only being semi auto! Can't say anything with out getting your neck ripped off.

Plus I knew I got the range wrong.. I just so tired... What is the effective range on a TM under 100 feet?

"mother superior jumped the gun!"

[AndrewMp5k2007]

So? It still performs like any other TM, without the select fire of Full Auto.

Didn't mean to rip your neck off, .

And I am not sure. I think like 60 - 80ish.

[El Phantasamo]

gimpy said:

andrewmp5k2005 said:

Terribly wrong, the PSG-1 performs EXACTLY like any other TM, UNUPGRADED.

I meant by only being semi auto! Can't say anything with out getting your neck ripped off.

Plus I knew I got the range wrong.. I just so tired... What is the effective range on a TM under 100 feet?

Prolly well under 100. My G3 is about 100 at 400 FPS.

Now lets keep this from becoming a flame war here.
We gave him some good suggestions and real world advice.

[gimpy]

I was somewhat right.. lets just put it that way.. It only has a semi auto and has a different type of mech box than other aegs..

But you were right about how it performs unupgraded.

elphantasamo said:

Now lets keep this from becoming a flame war here.
We gave him some good suggestions and real world advice.

Yes you are right, But wasn't about to start flamming. I don't flame, I just vent..

andrewmp5k2005 said:

Didn't mean to rip your neck off, .

Oh I know you weren't.. I just did that for comic relief... I'm weird like that..

[AndrewMp5k2007]

Haha, yea sorry. I get ya (comic relief, lol nice).

Yea, okay, well hopefully we gave this guy more info then a flame war.

But, yea okay, I agree with El, stop before it turns into a whole big discussion and problems start coming up.

(We did all of that under an hour, and he's not even online to see it all, haha)

[Knief]

Actually, the PSG-1 doesn't perform exactly like any other AEG stock. It has about the same velocity and range, but it operates differently from any other. You have to cock it before you shoot it, and the gun shoots before it winds up. Every shot works in opposite order from a stock AEG. First the piston goes, and then the gears wind up for the next bb. So no, it doesn't work quite like any other AEG (except the soon to be released KSC AEG). It's also a lot longer and heavier than any other AEG, so it's more impractical for any position in which you move.

[gimpy]

How sad is that.. all those moments typing franticaly, and all those mis understood tensions . Hoping to be rewarded with thanks for the info, and he is not even there to read it.

Knief- I knew there something different about it, but I didn't know what. Guess we were both somewhat wrong andrew. Oh well! ;D